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Joe Ghobrial is a pastor at one church and the finance controller at Parkstreet Church.

That gives him a rare dual perspective: he sees church leadership from both the ministry side and the operations side.

Most people only see one. Joe sees both.

Full interview: https://youtu.be/t-ZF-o4qoxo?si=owmfS_s7yngLBGN9

Book a demo: https://www.getkleercard.com/schedule-a-demo/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=reel&utm_campaign=leadership_june2026&utm_content=thu_dualpov_reel_ig

Effectiveness is doing the right things.
Efficiency is doing things right.

Most leadership teams chase efficiency and miss the whole point.

Matt Po***ck, Head of School at Grace Academy: "If you focus on effectiveness first, the efficiency will follow."

He's spent 13 years building a school, navigating a financial turnaround, rebuilding after a tornado. That's not efficiency. That's effectiveness.

Watch the full interview: https://youtu.be/qFaT7ArnVPc?si=DhH_CPWdqC3kCUBL

See how KleerCard helps leaders focus on what matters: https://www.getkleercard.com/schedule-a-demo/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=reel&utm_campaign=leadership_june2026&utm_content=mon_effectiveness_reel_ig

"The district level is like a church on steroids."

Delena Thomas became the person 1,200 churches called whenever they hit a weird financial situation: hotel blocks, dining packages, designated trusts, you name it.

Church finance is more complex than most software assumes. That complexity is the whole reason careful systems matter.

Watch the full interview: https://youtu.be/aLJHzVf7zuI

See how KleerCard handles real church spending complexity: https://www.getkleercard.com/schedule-a-demo/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=reel&utm_campaign=tov_works_june2026&utm_content=thu_on_steroids_reel_ig

"It took me a year to be sure."

Delena Thomas on the real learning curve of church accounting. It's fund-based, so one entry ripples across every balance sheet and every fund's net worth. That's why it takes treasurers and bookkeepers so long to feel confident.

If this is your world, you are not behind. The work is genuinely harder than business books.

Watch the full interview: https://youtu.be/aLJHzVf7zuI

See how KleerCard takes the guesswork out of church spending: https://www.getkleercard.com/schedule-a-demo/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=reel&utm_campaign=tov_works_june2026&utm_content=wed_learning_software_reel_ig