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How do we stay hopeful when the systems around us are changing?
In this episode of Wicked Complex, Mark Cabaj joins us to talk about disruption, systems change, and why a little humour can go a long way when working with complex challenges. From frameworks and strategy to metaphors and uncertainty, Mark explores how we can make sense of what's unfolding around us without pretending we have all the answers.
You can find Wicked Complex on our website or wherever you listen to podcasts: https://www.actionlab.ca/podcast
[Teaser video for an episode of Wicked Complex featuring Mark Cabaj. Mark discusses systems change, developmental evaluation, and navigating uncertainty. Clips highlight a conversation about humour, strategy, and the use of frameworks and metaphors to understand complex issues. The teaser ends with Mark sharing a quote from Bertrand Russell about holding beliefs with humility. Video includes podcast branding and captions.]
05/21/2026
Season 2 of Wicked Complex is here!
If you haven’t listened yet, this is your reminder to check out our first episode featuring Sakawithiniwak sibling duo Jacquelyn and Hunter Cardinal of Naheyawin.
Listen on our here or wherever you get your podcasts: https://www.actionlab.ca/podcast
[The image has a bold red square centered over a black-and-white aerial image of people walking across a large target pattern. Large white text reads “WICKED COMPLEX,” with a small green label “SEASON 2.” Below, smaller text says, “Absurdly Hopeful: How Play and Creativity Can Crack Open New Futures.” At the bottom, on a dark blue background, it reads “Wicked Complex Podcast S2-2” and “The Sacred Bit: Reconciliation Through Laughter, Sincerity, and Love.” The Action Lab logo appears on the right, and along the left edge, vertical text reads “DON’T MISS IT.”]
05/07/2026
The second episode of Season 2 of Wicked Complex is out! On this episode of Wicked Complex, Sakawithiniwak sibling duo Jacquelyn and Hunter Cardinal of Naheyawin bring Nehiyaw wisdom to questions of play, creativity, and social change.
Drawing on their reconciliation work, they share why leading with love isn't soft — it's strategic, why laughter can be sacred, and how telling stories authentically might be the most radical act of all.
You can find Wicked Complex on our website or wherever you listen to podcasts: https://www.actionlab.ca/podcast
[The image introduces Season 2 of the Wicked Complex podcast. The title “Wicked Complex” appears in large white text over a red square cutout, revealing a greyscale background image of people walking in circular formations. The text “Season 2” appears below, alongside the Action Lab logo and the season theme: “Absurdly Hopeful: How Play and Creativity Can Crack Open New Futures.”]
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